Sunday, May 15, 2005

The Christian Right (and America) and Political Correctness

I attended in person last evening an interview on Minnesota Public Radio of Fran Liebowitz, the New York satirist. I left the interview feeling refreshed, actually feeling alive. Of course, it was most fun in that most of Fran's viewpoints and opinions rang true with mine. But more thrilling was the fact it has been at least 5-6 years since I experienced a public figure who actually was not full of bullshit. One who is so political correct that you leave feeling uninspired...and most times these days when one leaves a comedic performance, or has an interpersonal discussion on politics, one needs to head home to take a shower to wash off the "milk-toast." Most often, there is no substance or passion behind the opinions anymore.

Political correctness is so out of hand these days that it is rare one can have fun attending a comedic performance. Thank God for Fran Liebowitz (and no pun intended).

It got me thinking what a boring world we live in currently. Where one is so timid to speak an opinion out of nervousness that others will strike them down with a lightning bolt from God. The piety in America is "gut-wrenching"...

I miss the 90's - the days of Seinfeld where stereotypes were not only laughed at by others, but by those whose stereotypes pertained to themselves. Stereotypes were adored.

So my thought on this week's topic of the week is to put aside political correctness for just one week - lets get back to progressive values, culture, art, humanity...where the differences in people are not only welcome but beloved. Lets build a list of NON-political correctness on the Blog this week. I ask you to post a NON-political correct statement....or react and respond to a few of my favorite Fran Liebowitz comments from last evening. Here are some of Fran's gems:

1. Where there is no religion in government, there is progress in this world...and the exact opposite. Look around and really evaluate and take a hard look at countries where religion is not predominant in government....look at America in the 90's. Was there a more progressive and expansive time...expansive economically, expansive culturally, expansive educationally, expansive benevolently, expansive intellectually and expansive spiritually than throughout the 90's - will someone challenge this comment?

2. The South is more ignorant and repressive than the Northern States - period. Almost all educational level test scores are lower in the South, the number of Fortune 500 corporate headquarters located in the North vs. South is drastic, the number of divorces in the South are much higher, the median household income (which tends to correlate to intellect) is lower in the South, the number of The Christian Right Churches and "mega-Churches" are more predominant in the South...want me to go on and on? On a whole, this is an accurate statement. I challenge anyone to dispute this comment and show me how the South, in general, is more intelligent than the North.

3. The Christian Right are fools - without stating this directly, Fran implied this throughout the first part of the interview last evening. Lets see...the Christian Right believe gay people are sinners and gay marriage is a sin although Jesus Christ never taught this - isn't Jesus Christ the basis for Christianity? (Lets move on in that I have beaten this ignorance to death on previous posts on this Blog). The Christian Right believe that being brain dead constitutes being alive. The Christian Right believe that abortion is wrong but capital punishment is right. The Christian Right believe this country was founded as a religious nation and that church and state should be unified. The Christian Right believe that the Man should be the head of the household and be the authoritative disciplinarian while the Woman should be subservient. Want me to go on? The issue below on The Christian Right as fools in respect to Evolution vs. Intelligent Design needs a paragraph on its own (see below).

4. The Christian Right do not believe in Evolution but rather in that God Almighty created the world in a structure and life form similar to the world we live in today. This is believed on faith alone, without fact. However, Scientists throughout the ages have proven Evolution to be part of human evolvement...and instead The Christian right believe in "Intelligent Design" (ID) and that humans did not evolve but instead were made with a stroke from only a Christian God's hand. Although if one really thought this ID theory through, one may come to the conclusion that IF there was no evolution and God created man and this entire world with a stroke of his or her hand, couldn't one counter that human being's brains have evolved over time...that human beings have evolved and progressed to such extent we can fly spacecraft to the planet Mars and take specimens and photographs of evidence of other life forms. So, in order for humans to progress to the point in order to invent the wheel, one of man's greatest inventions, to the point where we are flying spacecraft to Mars, wouldn't it make sense that humans have evolved over time, that our brains have evolved to such degree from generation to generation...doesn't this constitute some logic for the theory of evolution? Can your brain separate logic from faith? Probably not.

I am going to stop here because once again I am getting feisty this week and attacking The Christian Right.

OK - What NON-political correct statements can you list on the Blog? Or, what counter claims can you make that are NON-politically correct to Fran Leibowitz (and my) statements above? Its easy...it can be simple as "The Irish are drunkards...and one could argue the Irish enjoy life more because of it." Christian Right's - take your swipe at the "flaming liberals" and give us some NON-political correct statements. I know you have it stirred inside you - come on, I dare you.

Click below and post your own NON-political correct statement. Again, I dare all of you.

64 Comments:

At 7:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK PWB - how about Liberals put animals ahead of human life form. Liberals are a bunch of whiners. Liberals want to be taken care of by our government. Liberals are obstructionists.

 
At 3:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Christian Right are idiots! and many of them are black who are so discriminatory it makes my head spin. Did they have a choice about being black? I don't think so! I am astounded by the likes of a Dr. Voddy Baucham, an evangelical minister,of course from the south, who rails against highschools that have support groups for Gays, claiming that this is offensive and destructive to our educational system! or a Dr. Ken Hutcherson, another evangelical black minister who worked diligently to defeat the anti-discrimination ban in Seattle. He got his parishoners to petition Microsoft to not support this bill. How very "Christian" of him, He is anti-gay, but he is black and a descendant of slaves and married to a white woman, does he not get the irony in this???!!!The bible says slavery is good! and he could have been killed in America 50 years ago for the audacity of marrying a white woman.the liberal activists of our country pushed through human rights initiatives which allow him this right.

 
At 4:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

PWB,

On your point #2 below, I was shocked to hear a report on the top rated academic high schools in the country.

MN only had three in 3 top 303. The highest was Edina a 202, Southwest in the mid 200s and St. Louis Park at 303.

The Southern States actually dominated the top 200 list, Florida, Texas and Georgia had multiple schools on the list.
This really took me by surprise. I figured the midwest would dominate this upper echelon.

 
At 8:03 PM, Anonymous AADAMS said...

I can't stomach the little (ID) in paratheses (they don't even deserve that sophisticated little piece of grammer).. "Intelligent" in this case must be recast as wishful thinkning, purely moronic, more ape-ish in thinkning than even an ape - and don't get me wrong, I like apes very much.

But seriously folks - you can't be serious?

The dreams of ID, magical wands, and other self-serving stuff of sheer fantasy are funny, funny until you realize that some folks actually mean it.

I like creation stories. They're neat. But don't teach them as fact: you are unraveling all the good stuff that makes us genuinely human -- critical thinking, self-awareness, opposable thumbs that sometime massage our temples when we're THINKING.

 
At 7:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aadam wrote:
I can't stomach the little (ID) in paratheses (they don't even deserve that sophisticated little piece of grammer)..
If you cannot spell big words (e.g., parentheses, grammar) don't use them.

And why is intelligent design (or any other theistic conception) "self-serving"?

While we're at it, why don't advocates of Darwinist dogma such as yourself actually act as if evolutionary theory were true? After all, one might think we'd have a better world if human beings were more industrious, honest, law-abiding, et cetera. Natural selection might aid progress in that direction -- hard-working thrifty people might be able to afford to have more children, while lazy wastrels would be forced into beggary. Honest men would flourish, while criminals would be executed or languish in prison. Smart people would be admitted to top universities, while dummies would work menial jobs. And all of these things would occur naturally, if it were not for liberals and their social welfare schemes. Instead, thanks to liberals, the propagation of morons is subsidized with Medicaid, food stamps and public housing programs, among much else. Affirmative action requires that our top universities admit some students whose SAT scores are 200 points below the freshman average, while rejecting other students with near-perfect scores. And, were it up to liberals -- who uniformly denounce the Bush tax cuts -- successful people would be drained of their resources by a punitive tax system.

I am a young-earth creationist -- "six days and a rib," you might say -- but am amazed that liberals are so adamant for the teaching of a theory whose most obvious implications they reject. Liberals are in favor of evolution as theory, but not as practice. This suggests motive: Liberals love the theory of evolution because it dethrones God (that is, the God described in the Bible) and thus destroys the authority of Bible-based moral teachings. Liberals do not wish to submit to the truth of the Bible, and Darwinism is merely a means to that end.

How else to explain the late S.J. Gould's fanatical hostility to the notion of evolution within the human species? Why would such an enthusiast for evolution so furiously reject the possibility that, perhaps, some humans were more evolved than others? It seems to me that what most needs to be explained in this contradiction is not Gould's rejection of human evolution -- such ideas of "supreme races" have had deadly consequences, and contradict our founding declaration that "all men are created equal." No, what needs explaining is why Gould would so fondly embrace a scientific theory which he will allow to have no influence on human affairs. I think Gould, like most other liberals, worship Darwin as "God-killer" -- Destroyer of the Decalogue. And that is the end of that story.

 
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At 8:24 AM, Anonymous AADAMS said...

Typos happen.

And why is intelligent design (or any other theistic conception) "self-serving"?

Taking baby steps here… it negates other worldviews. It casts human origins of all stories beneath the rubric of one version of God and his actions. All theories do contain an agenda – some more than others. Yours is spelled out and adversarial – it supports your worldview and is intolerant of others.

While we're at it, why don't advocates of Darwinist dogma such as yourself actually act as if evolutionary theory were true?

Could you define your version of evolutionary theroy? I’m curious. I don’t think that your version of it (as it’s implied in this rant) IS true.

After all, one might think we'd have a better world if human beings were more industrious, honest, law-abiding, et cetera.
Industrious? Honest – I’ll agree with that. Law-abiding? That would certainly depend upon the laws, yes?

Natural selection might aid progress in that direction -- hard-working thrifty people might be able to afford to have more children, while lazy wastrels would be forced into beggary.
Your understanding of Darwin’s theory and natuarl selection is ill-informed and very wrong. There are books available.

Honest men
(how about women?)
would flourish, while criminals would be executed or languish in prison. Smart people would be admitted to top universities, while dummies would work menial jobs. And all of these things would occur naturally,
(are jails or universitites “natural” institutions?)
if it were not for liberals and their social welfare schemes. Instead, thanks to liberals, the propagation of morons is subsidized with Medicaid, food stamps and public housing programs, among much else. Affirmative action requires that our top universities admit some students whose SAT scores are 200 points below the freshman average, while rejecting other students with near-perfect scores. And, were it up to liberals -- who uniformly denounce the Bush tax cuts -- successful people would be drained of their resources by a punitive tax system.

Ooopps – I just realized you’re an asshole.

I am a young-earth creationist -- "six days and a rib," you might say -- but am amazed that liberals are so adamant for the teaching of a theory whose most obvious implications they reject. Liberals are in favor of evolution as theory (not your understanding of it), but not as practice. This suggests motive: Liberals love the theory of evolution because it dethrones God (that is, the God described in the Bible) and thus destroys the authority of Bible-based moral teachings. Liberals do not wish to submit to the truth of the Bible, and Darwinism is merely a means to that end.

SUBMIT TO THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE? Submit?

How else to explain the late S.J. Gould's fanatical hostility to the notion of evolution within the human species? Why would such an enthusiast for evolution so furiously reject the possibility that, perhaps, some humans were more evolved than others?
B
ecause that is highly prejudicial, flawed thinking. I’m really wondering if you might be seeing yourself as umm, “more highly evolved” than someone else?
Unfortunately, it is people like you who make this world a cruel, hateful, and violent place. God would be disappointed. Hitler would be delighted.

It seems to me that what most needs to be explained in this contradiction is not Gould's rejection of human evolution -- such ideas of "supreme races"
Y
ou’re onto something here….

have had deadly consequences, and contradict our founding declaration that "all men are created equal." No, what needs explaining is why Gould would so fondly embrace a scientific theory which he will allow to have no influence on human affairs.

But couldn’t hold it.

I think Gould, like most other liberals, worship Darwin as "God-killer" -- Destroyer of the Decalogue. And that is the end of that story.

Finishing high school has benefits. And sadly, that probably is the end of the story for you. What an offensive and ignorant line of thinking. I was actually looking forward to a dialogue of sorts but I am appalled. You’re the folk who embody social darwinism at its worst and most dangerous.

 
At 4:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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The word is "MILQUETOAST," not "milk-toast."

Asshat!

 
At 4:56 PM, Blogger PWB said...

Hey Anonymous - if you are going to curse and swear so "Un-Christian" like on this blog, why don't you indentify yourself? I see AADAMS has no problem standing behind her views but your Anonymous identity is certainly telling in NOT taking responibility for your own views...typical Christian Right hiding behind their own piety.

 
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The writer wants to seperate Jesus from the condemnation of homosexulaity in the OT so as to justify homosexuality as something other than sin.
The Old Covenant was God's dictated agreement with ancient Israel. Israel agreed to follow its tenets, which it failed to do, and became the worst of violators against God. Essentially the covenant established a theocracy with God's commandments ruling every aspect of Israel's life. Homosexuality was an offense that demanded the death penalty (Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; .
When Jesus died on the cross, He set aside the old covenant and brought in the New Covenant to each person who would come to Him on His terms, not man's. Like the Old covenant, the New is dictated by God. So did Jesus condemn homosexuality? Did the changing of the covenants change God's established morality for man? Murder was condemned , is it now OK under the New Covenant?
The NT is just as inspired by God or it isn't. Jesus said several times in John 14-16 that He would send the Hol Spirit to the apostles to guide them in all truth and that the Holy Spirit would not speak on His accord, but that of Jesus. In other words Jesus would speak through the apostles via the Holy SPirit. So what the apostles taught and and wrote is actually the words of Jesus. Did Jesus teach against homosexuality?
In Galatians 5:19-21, the inspired apostle lists a catalog of sin and those who practice such woudl not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Fornication ( porneia in the NT Greek) is a generic word that encompasses all sexual sin. Licentiousness the third sexual sin in the list is the practice of sin with no sense of shame - they have given themselves license to do such.
Further the same apostle wrote in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that homosexuals, nor effeminates would inherit teh kingdom of heaven. Now let's see, is it sin or righteousness that keeps one out of heaven??
Now just who is the greater fool satting that Jesus did not teach against sin.
Just because it is not in Matthew trough John does not mean that he did not teach against it. Of his three years of active monostry, we have parts of 40 days of his life. Subtracting the tinme of his birth and childhood and the days near his crucifixion and resurrection, we are left with parts of about 30 days. That is out of 1000 days. Only a fool would assume that all He taught is included in the gospels. However God gives us what is necessary to believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God.
Being God, we can be assured that Jesus has given us what is necessary to know what is sin and what is righteousness.
My appeal is not from opinion, but from God's word. Let us all reason together from His word with honest and opens hearts to Him and His word ( Acts 17:11). To do less is to short change ourselves and to become a fool, building our house on sand (Matthew 7:26). Jesus said "I am the Way the Truth and the Life. No man comes to God except through me." (John 14:6). God bless you in your search for Him and His way.

 
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